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. >> roll right over alex. >> whoa. >> the washington of romney rolled over the moderator last night? the thing about -- i came to first because i had writ ain't piece for the "new york" magazine, how to act human, giving romney advice. since then i've tried to pursue him, but that's not easy. he's elusive. >> yes. >> he keeps recasting himself, recasting himself. i've tried to flail it down. before last night's event i had come to the conclusion i finally had typecast him, because he can't play a character role, he's not a good enough actor. this is a conclusion i came to. that he is that boss who makes lame jokes at which we are compelled to laugh at peril of our jobs. >> yes. >> and -- >> i don't know any bosses like that. >> last night he more or less erased that image with the significant cooperation of the president, he presented a brand-new, as you said, and different romney relishing the occasion, filled with facts, right or wrong, true or false, but filled with them, and delivered with great conviction and with energy. unfortunately for the democratic campaign, another presid
. >> roll right over alex. >> whoa. >> the washington of romney rolled over the moderator last night? the thing about -- i came to first because i had writ ain't piece for the "new york" magazine, how to act human, giving romney advice. since then i've tried to pursue him, but that's not easy. he's elusive. >> yes. >> he keeps recasting himself, recasting himself. i've tried to flail it down. before last night's event i had come to the conclusion i...
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whether it's the neocons or the religious right, who is the the real romney. he was so effervescent and exciting and winning on his personality. is this the real guy unleashed from these commitments. >> i don't want to be unkind but think it was the real romney, in the sense of his political career, going back to massachusetts and earlier, mitt romney has been able to change his position, renounce his position and do whatever he feels is necessary to meet the next group of voters right in front of him. look what he did about 47%. he said the other night in fox news to shawn habity, i didn't mean any of that or -- sean hannity, i didn't see any of that. and hurt him instead of saying let me explain what i meant to say, i said it ineloquently, but i think people are gaming the system -- i didn't mean any of that. chris: below what he is offering that day, that week, what's there? what's the hard-core of mitt romney? >> first of all, we know he's a very competitive guy and the best moments he's had the past year have all been in debates. he's been a very effectiv
whether it's the neocons or the religious right, who is the the real romney. he was so effervescent and exciting and winning on his personality. is this the real guy unleashed from these commitments. >> i don't want to be unkind but think it was the real romney, in the sense of his political career, going back to massachusetts and earlier, mitt romney has been able to change his position, renounce his position and do whatever he feels is necessary to meet the next group of voters right in...
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there is a noise exception right now, though, as we welcome president obama and governor romney. [ cheers and applause ] >> jim. >> gentlemen, welcome to you both. let's start, the economy, segment 1, and let's begin with jobs. what are the major differences between the two of you about how you would go about creating new jobs? you have two minutes, each of you have two minutes to start. a coin toss has determined mr. president, you go first. >> well, thank you very much, jim, for this opportunity. i want to thank governor romney and the university of denver for your hospitality. there are a lot of points i want to make tonight, but the most important one is that 20 years ago i became the luckiest man on earth because michelle obama agreed to marry me. and so i just want to wish, sweetie, you happy anniversary and let you know that a year from now we will not be celebrating it in front of 40 million people. you know, four years ago we went through the worst financial crisis since the great depression. millions of jobs were lost. the auto industry was on the brink of collapse. the financia
there is a noise exception right now, though, as we welcome president obama and governor romney. [ cheers and applause ] >> jim. >> gentlemen, welcome to you both. let's start, the economy, segment 1, and let's begin with jobs. what are the major differences between the two of you about how you would go about creating new jobs? you have two minutes, each of you have two minutes to start. a coin toss has determined mr. president, you go first. >> well, thank you very much, jim,...
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if you circumstance two states, mitt romney has to have florida and ohio right up there, andrea. i think florida more likely for mitt romney than ohio, but this is a state he has got to win. we're not entirely sure he will. polling suggests it's close. i'm interested in polls that come out early next week. let's see if there is a debate influence. maybe whether the jobs report, which had, i think, some good news for barack obama. maybe that takes the romney debate bump away or not. but he is spending several days in florida not by accident. he has to win here. >> especially since they're not doing as well as they hoped to do in ohio. there's the other debate, and i'm not talking about the vice presidential match-up next week. i am talking about jon stewart versus bill o'reilly saturday night for charity here in d.c. >> people said they're looking forward to the vice presidential debate. if you're looking for a debate with the most fireworks between now and the election, bill o'reilly and jon stewart. i've been watching the jon stewart clips from "the daily show" with stephen colb
if you circumstance two states, mitt romney has to have florida and ohio right up there, andrea. i think florida more likely for mitt romney than ohio, but this is a state he has got to win. we're not entirely sure he will. polling suggests it's close. i'm interested in polls that come out early next week. let's see if there is a debate influence. maybe whether the jobs report, which had, i think, some good news for barack obama. maybe that takes the romney debate bump away or not. but he is...
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. >>> all right. so how did the candidates do? well, post debate instant polls reveal that most voters believe mitt romney did better than president obama. a cnn orc poll shows that 67% of registered voters who watched the debate chose mr. romney as the winner while 25% chose mr. obama. a cbs snap poll showed that 45% identified mitt romney while 22% said barack obama won and 32% called it a tie. the candidates tangled over taxes and figures of cuts or increases. andrea mitchell looked into the truth behind the rhetoric of both candidates. >> let me repeat what i said. i'm not in favor of a $5 trillion tax cut. that's not my plan. my plan is not to put in place any tax cut that will add to the deficit. >> reporter: romney has proposed making the bush tax cuts permanent for all tax levels and then cutting all rates an additional 20%. he would repeal the alternative minimum tax and repeal the estate tax. they said mitt romney's tax plan would cost $4.8 trillion over ten years. he said his plan would be paid for but to pay for those
. >>> all right. so how did the candidates do? well, post debate instant polls reveal that most voters believe mitt romney did better than president obama. a cnn orc poll shows that 67% of registered voters who watched the debate chose mr. romney as the winner while 25% chose mr. obama. a cbs snap poll showed that 45% identified mitt romney while 22% said barack obama won and 32% called it a tie. the candidates tangled over taxes and figures of cuts or increases. andrea mitchell looked...
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you saw bill clinton was going after mitt romney on that. >> right. >> how does he tonight get around the impression that he was simply writing off half of america? >> yeah. well, i think what's going to happen tonight is they're going to have the voters are going to have sustained direct exposure to both candidates and they're going to see the choice in front of them. and i think this statement here or the vice president's statement here or the rest of it, have moved votes softly in the middle a little bit but tonight they're going to have a direct exposure and see the choice they have, between how we've been going and the opportunity we have to get this economy moving and get the budget under control. i think that's -- personally i think it's going to overwhelm a lot of previous impressions. >> mitt romney has been getting so much advice, solicited and unsolicited, be warm, be empathetic, have zingers, go after him, be tough, rush limbaugh says be tougher more aggressive, other people say don't do that, more likable. is this going to be the warm and fuzzy mitt romney, the tough aggr
you saw bill clinton was going after mitt romney on that. >> right. >> how does he tonight get around the impression that he was simply writing off half of america? >> yeah. well, i think what's going to happen tonight is they're going to have the voters are going to have sustained direct exposure to both candidates and they're going to see the choice in front of them. and i think this statement here or the vice president's statement here or the rest of it, have moved votes...
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it felt to me like mitt romney showed up thinking that his goal was to be the alpha male. >> right. >> and that he needed to assert his dominance over everyone there, and certainly jim lehrer bore the brunt, the president as well. i got the sense that for him it was a dominance thing. it was very aggressive, and i agree with joy, i think a lot of women, particularly women who were already inclined to vote for the president, which as we know many women are, are going to be further turned off by that tone. >> do you think that he was like that because of the goading that he's had from republicans who feel that he's a bit e feet, that he's not really tough enough, that he hasn't gone out and beaten everybody up? >> i think it's part of that. if you go back and look at the primary debates, mitt romney was largely the same way. he's a vicious debater. he gets in there and his goal is to shred everyone who is on that stage. i think the only change from the primaries is that he took on the newt gingrich role of including the moderator in the beating he was trying to give. >> newt's advice. >
it felt to me like mitt romney showed up thinking that his goal was to be the alpha male. >> right. >> and that he needed to assert his dominance over everyone there, and certainly jim lehrer bore the brunt, the president as well. i got the sense that for him it was a dominance thing. it was very aggressive, and i agree with joy, i think a lot of women, particularly women who were already inclined to vote for the president, which as we know many women are, are going to be further...
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as bad as things are, 40% of people think that the country is heading on the right track. and that tells all of us, especially the polling experts, wendy, that people are feeling better about the direction of the country, and so they have to feel really badly about the country, if they wanted to eject the current president of the united states and take a bet on someone they don't know very well. that's the final thing. mitt romney is way behind president obama in popularity. and that's his challenge tonight. mitt romney has to come out here tonight and try to be nice, and affable and likable and get past that 47% comment that he made, which seemed to be writing off half of the american voters. at the same time he's got to be tough and aggressive and try to rattle president obama. and that is a very hard combination. >> all right. andrea mitchell, always good to hear your comments on this. and you are joining the team coverage for tonight's big debate showdown coming up on "nightly news" with brian williams. >> thanks. >> thank you. >>> would you be willing to pay an extra
as bad as things are, 40% of people think that the country is heading on the right track. and that tells all of us, especially the polling experts, wendy, that people are feeling better about the direction of the country, and so they have to feel really badly about the country, if they wanted to eject the current president of the united states and take a bet on someone they don't know very well. that's the final thing. mitt romney is way behind president obama in popularity. and that's his...
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so just by showing up, you would think that romney's a slight favorite right now. we have seen obama recently in a higher position than he's been in all year, maybe higher than you would expect based on where the economy is. so i do think romney should have a tail wind at the same time the stuff we're mentioning where he also has tried to avoid articulating where his positions are on a lot of issues, a lot that is common sense but if you take positions further away from the center that damages you and he's not done a lot of running to the center at all in this campaign. that's unusual and he'll be proebds for more detail during the debate. >> the american public or people are crying out for the etch a sketch moment. joy, in terms of managing expectations, the guy that has managed them in his own fashion is chris christie. i want to play a little chris christie sound doubling down on the fact that this is a big deal tomorrow night for mitt romney. >> this whole race will be turned upside down thursday morning. >> what are you doing, christie? for god sake's if romne
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rallying supporters in pennsylvania this afternoon, mitt romney made this bold promise. >> you're right, they're wrong, and we'll win pennsylvania and take the white house. >> reporter: but for that to happen with polls showing him trailing the president, analysts say romney must change the trajectory of the race. in a discussion, he acknowledged this is an important opportunity. >> and i think it will give people a chance to understand where we actually stand, as opposed to where our opposition thinks we stand. and then they can make a more informed choice. >> reporter: while both candidates are practicing in private, president obama held a closed-door session this afternoon. and publicly their campaigns are showering the opponents with praise. a message from one expert outlines romney's skills as a prepared, aggressive, debater. the romney campaign is touting president obama's natural gifts and the extensive seasoning under the bright lights of the bright stage. today, in a mock debate, senator john kerry dismissed the idea that the republican nominee is an inexperienced debater, poin
rallying supporters in pennsylvania this afternoon, mitt romney made this bold promise. >> you're right, they're wrong, and we'll win pennsylvania and take the white house. >> reporter: but for that to happen with polls showing him trailing the president, analysts say romney must change the trajectory of the race. in a discussion, he acknowledged this is an important opportunity. >> and i think it will give people a chance to understand where we actually stand, as opposed to...
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substantively barack obama was right on, because mitt romney was breath-takingly dishonsest last night. mitt romney was more in control of the debate and walked all over jim lehrer and obama didn't fight back. obama had the facts and didn't use them, but this is what obama does. in 2008 when he ran against hillary clinton, people said he wasn't fighting hard enough and against john mccain and in the health care debate, he wasn't fighting hard enough. he won all the fights. >> what's interesting, our first team and others brought up the comparison of the incumbent curse. george w. bush, ronald reagan in '84, george h.w. bush in '92, the president didn't seem to be on his game. mitt romney made a surprise appearance to a cpac event in denver still courting the conservatives but say if you know people that voted for president obama, tell them to come on over to our side. that's ironic because i don't imagine he knows many conservative republicans who voted for president obama the last time or plan to this time. nevertheless, you're no fan of governor romney. did you become a fan last nigh
substantively barack obama was right on, because mitt romney was breath-takingly dishonsest last night. mitt romney was more in control of the debate and walked all over jim lehrer and obama didn't fight back. obama had the facts and didn't use them, but this is what obama does. in 2008 when he ran against hillary clinton, people said he wasn't fighting hard enough and against john mccain and in the health care debate, he wasn't fighting hard enough. he won all the fights. >> what's...
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the president will stand at the podium on the right, mitt romney at the podium on the left. this debate is separated into six 15-minute segments focusing heavily on the economy. touching down in denver this afternoon, president obama has prepared more for these debates than any sitting president in the modern era. while anticipation builds at the tightly controlled debate site mitt romney fine tuned his message in private, advisers say, relaxing with three of his sons and fueling up on a peanut butter and honey sandwich. campaigning today was left to top surrogates. >> i believe that the 21st century can be better than the 20th. >> you can do that. it's your future. go claim it. >> reporter: outside the debate hall cameras caught a brief glimpse of the candidates' motorcades. their walkthroughs inside the 1500-seat arena, kept out of view. >> two, three, four, five. >> reporter: for days advisers from both sides have been negotiating details from lighting to the angle of the podiums. the rules even address which spouse will be introduced first. mrs. romney, then mrs. obama.
the president will stand at the podium on the right, mitt romney at the podium on the left. this debate is separated into six 15-minute segments focusing heavily on the economy. touching down in denver this afternoon, president obama has prepared more for these debates than any sitting president in the modern era. while anticipation builds at the tightly controlled debate site mitt romney fine tuned his message in private, advisers say, relaxing with three of his sons and fueling up on a peanut...
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so romney was right. but on medicaid, where romney said it wasn't wouldn't be a cut twould be inflation plus 1% and obama said it would be a 30% cut. there was an independent study by bloomberg. they say that romney's medicaid proposal, $1.26 trillion loss in medicaid over 10 years under the romney plan. so there were facts and some loose arguing of the facts am but an interesting debate. i am not sure a game changer, but a good night for romney, a little less so for the president. >> thank you. bret, at the beginning of the show, you were jealous of me because i was with the action and now you are with the action. >> yes. chris wallace has good analysis and he can pick good times. coming up, charles krauthammer on who came out on top. he joins us after this break. you see us, at the start of the day. on the company phone list that's a few names longer. you see us bank on busier highways. on once empty fields. everyday you see all the ways all of us at us bank are helping grow our economy. lending more so
so romney was right. but on medicaid, where romney said it wasn't wouldn't be a cut twould be inflation plus 1% and obama said it would be a 30% cut. there was an independent study by bloomberg. they say that romney's medicaid proposal, $1.26 trillion loss in medicaid over 10 years under the romney plan. so there were facts and some loose arguing of the facts am but an interesting debate. i am not sure a game changer, but a good night for romney, a little less so for the president. >>...
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it is a choice right now between two alternatives. i think problem's is based on the reality of the decisions we must make together as a people if we want a better and stronger economy. don't miss lawrence o'donnell on msnbc, the place for politics. here is a look at other news. in south carolina, a violent attack caught on camera. a convicted robbery defendant surprised his public defender with a roundhouse hit in the face after getting a 15-year sentence. he was left with a bloody mouth. he had an additional six months tacked on to the sentence. >>> the trend of criminal behavior continues in florida. a man with a machete came into the police station. officers used a taser and tackled him to the ground. >>> on a much lighter note, a washington redskins fanatic transformed his yard into this scene. he used his skills to decorate his lawn with the logo and colors. he spends hundreds of dollars on mulch each year to freshen up the display. that is commitment. for more, we turn to bill karins. was there a refrigerator filled with beer t
it is a choice right now between two alternatives. i think problem's is based on the reality of the decisions we must make together as a people if we want a better and stronger economy. don't miss lawrence o'donnell on msnbc, the place for politics. here is a look at other news. in south carolina, a violent attack caught on camera. a convicted robbery defendant surprised his public defender with a roundhouse hit in the face after getting a 15-year sentence. he was left with a bloody mouth. he...
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campaign. >> right. let's be clear the kinds of people that paul ryan was talking about include seniors, people who are drawing social security. >> those takers. they just take. >> taking more from the freg than they are -- federal government than they are paying in. they happen to be the numbers that vote in large numbers. if you're a republican and deficits with minorities and women, you need those white seniors to show up in large numbers for you. maybe they won't really understand that they fit into this category. there is a fair number of people who think this other people who are drawing on government subsidy in one way or another. but that vision part of this debate is going to be interesting because mitt romney has set himself up for some pretty difficult territory. are people on social security the kinds of voters that you are talking about, mr. romney, in this debate tonight, when you say government is paying too big a role in people's lives. that's a tricky one for him to walk out of. >> are t
campaign. >> right. let's be clear the kinds of people that paul ryan was talking about include seniors, people who are drawing social security. >> those takers. they just take. >> taking more from the freg than they are -- federal government than they are paying in. they happen to be the numbers that vote in large numbers. if you're a republican and deficits with minorities and women, you need those white seniors to show up in large numbers for you. maybe they won't really...
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. >> all right! ah -- >> good day. i'm andrea mitchell live in denver where mitt romney took the fight to president obama in wednesday's debate. last night it was the president who often seemed remote and disengaged. joining me now on the phone from the president's speech that he's just had in denver is chuck todd, of course, traveling with the president. chuck, what's the explanation from team obama as to how ill prepared the president seemed to be for this? i think chuck todd is with the president. i guess they've just taken off. we're joined now for our daily fix with chris cillizza, msnbc contributor and managing edter of post politics.com and ruth marcus and politico editor in chief, john harris. chris, first to you. your scoring of the debate and what you think the president's strategy was or wasn't going in. >> i don't know what his strategy was, but whatever it was, it wasn't particularly good, andrea. you know, the thing that i was struck by the whole time is optics matter. this is television. how you look, ho
. >> all right! ah -- >> good day. i'm andrea mitchell live in denver where mitt romney took the fight to president obama in wednesday's debate. last night it was the president who often seemed remote and disengaged. joining me now on the phone from the president's speech that he's just had in denver is chuck todd, of course, traveling with the president. chuck, what's the explanation from team obama as to how ill prepared the president seemed to be for this? i think chuck todd is...
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right at the top of that debate last night when romney first mentioned trickle-down government, obamaobviously, it's easy to say in retrospect, he should have said, no, you're the big supporter of trickle-down economics, let's not confuse the issue, let's be clear, you believe in trickle-down economics and grab the initiative. he has to do that the next time when romney plays these word games. >> is the thing to do to name the tactic? you are doing this in order to confuse the fact, in order to, you know, occlude the accusation against you that, i mean, is that how you do it? >> go that, go after the tactic. again, it's easy to say this as a monday morning quarterback, but then you pivot to the substance of it and explain why what he just said is not true. you don't call him a liar or say that's not true. or do something that can end up, you know, going viral in some way that is not helpful to the campaign. just have to very clearly and cogently, and it was cogency that was lacking last night, rip through the other guy's point. >> mitt romney said he does not espouse positions he's been runnin
right at the top of that debate last night when romney first mentioned trickle-down government, obamaobviously, it's easy to say in retrospect, he should have said, no, you're the big supporter of trickle-down economics, let's not confuse the issue, let's be clear, you believe in trickle-down economics and grab the initiative. he has to do that the next time when romney plays these word games. >> is the thing to do to name the tactic? you are doing this in order to confuse the fact, in...
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. >> governor christie right in the sense that romney needs to change the dynamic of the race. a new "washington post"/abc news survey find 5s 5% of voters think the president will win the debates compared to 31% who believe rom wil win. romney adviser tell "the new york times" they're aiming to make the president come off as condescending or smug. that characterized obama's notable gaffe during the 2008 primary when hillary clinton was asked what she would say to voters who seemed to like barack obama more. >> he's very likable. i agree with that. i don't think i'm that bad. >> you're likable enough, hillary. >> thank you. >> governor romney's 23 debate performances during the republican primary his weakness showed when he allowed competitors to get und her is skin prompting irritated off script moments that gave a new meaning to the #awkward. >> anderson -- >> you say you knew. >> would you please wait? >> are you just going to deep talking? >> yes, sir. >> let me finish what i have to say i'm running for office i can't have ill heels. >> when will you release yours? will you
. >> governor christie right in the sense that romney needs to change the dynamic of the race. a new "washington post"/abc news survey find 5s 5% of voters think the president will win the debates compared to 31% who believe rom wil win. romney adviser tell "the new york times" they're aiming to make the president come off as condescending or smug. that characterized obama's notable gaffe during the 2008 primary when hillary clinton was asked what she would say to...
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(applause) >> romney's right. you guys are like the 47% who are depending on the government to deport people. is that why you like obama because obama has supported a ton of you people. -- deport add ton of you people. >> well, president barack obama has deported more immigrants than any president in the history of the united states. >> stephen: so you get a free ride to the border. (laughter) >> what i would say is immigrants contribute much more to this country than what people might think. undocumented immigrants pay taxes and do the jobs-- >> they are criminals, they're illegals. they broke the law. you know the law? they broke the law. if you break the law you're a criminal, jorge. >> at the same time there are millions of americans who benefit from their work and thousands of american companies who hire them. and we don't call them illegal so we have to talk about co-responsibility. they are here because we benefit from the work. (applause) >> stephen: i don't have a comeback for that so they'll edit it out
(applause) >> romney's right. you guys are like the 47% who are depending on the government to deport people. is that why you like obama because obama has supported a ton of you people. -- deport add ton of you people. >> well, president barack obama has deported more immigrants than any president in the history of the united states. >> stephen: so you get a free ride to the border. (laughter) >> what i would say is immigrants contribute much more to this country than...
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what was romney doing? he was winning. >> he was winning. >> all right. good morning. it's thursday, october 4th. welcome to "morning joe." wow! page turns a bit. with us on set, we have msnbc contributor mike barnicle and national affairs for "new york" magazine and political analyst john heilemann. and in nashville, i love nashville, pulitzer prize-winning historian jon meacham. meacham. should we go right there? >> in one second. i've -- we've got to set this up first for mike barnicle. we've all been saying the same thing. phone calls coming in last night from my democratic friends, independent friends, republicans, everybody's been asking the same thing, where did this come from? we've never seen this mitt romney before, but you say you have. >> yes, this is how mitt romney became governor of massachusetts in 2002 during a series of debates. he was exactly this way as he was last night. he came in prepared. he had a plan. he executed it. he was armed with specific information. he went right at the opponent. then it was shannon o'brien running for governor against
what was romney doing? he was winning. >> he was winning. >> all right. good morning. it's thursday, october 4th. welcome to "morning joe." wow! page turns a bit. with us on set, we have msnbc contributor mike barnicle and national affairs for "new york" magazine and political analyst john heilemann. and in nashville, i love nashville, pulitzer prize-winning historian jon meacham. meacham. should we go right there? >> in one second. i've -- we've got to set...
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in the mid 40s or so, so mitt romney is within striking distance right now but there's no doubt that 47% comment did hurt him. >> chris cizilla, a decision today in pennsylvania, a legal decision. >> yep. >> which could have a big impact because if pennsylvania ever were going to be in play, now it will not according to what the republican hopes had been. this was the voter i.d. law and struck down by a judge, said there's no way to get voter i.d.s to so many people in time for election day. >> right. this was always i think because as you point out, a narrow timeline, five weeks to the day from the election, but what this does is it does not put that strict voter i.d. law in place for pennsylvania. and i think barring some change or data i've not seen, i'm not convinced pennsylvania was in play even if law had been upheld. i just don't think the votes add up for republicans in pennsylvania. i always say it's like charlie brown, lucy and the football. every time charlie brown tries to kick the football, lucy pulls it away. that's pennsylvania for republicans. look at the numbers and
in the mid 40s or so, so mitt romney is within striking distance right now but there's no doubt that 47% comment did hurt him. >> chris cizilla, a decision today in pennsylvania, a legal decision. >> yep. >> which could have a big impact because if pennsylvania ever were going to be in play, now it will not according to what the republican hopes had been. this was the voter i.d. law and struck down by a judge, said there's no way to get voter i.d.s to so many people in time...
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, what is the difference -- romney: but i -- right, right. >> moderator: let's just stay on taxes for a moment. romney: virtually everything he said about hi many tax plan is inaccurate. if i was asked to support it, i'd say absolutely not. i'm not looking for a $5 trillion tax cut. what identify said is i won't put in place a tax cut that adds to the deficit. that's part one. so there's no economist can say mitt romney's tax plan adds $5 trillion if i say i will not add to the deficit with my tax plan. number two, i will not reduce the share paid by high-income individuals. i know you and your running mate keep saying that, but it's just not the case. look, i've got five boys. i'm used to people saying something that's not always true but just keep on repeating it and ultimately hoping i'll believe it. [laughter] that is not the case. i will not reduce the taxes paid by high-income americans. and number three, i will not under any circumstances raise taxes on middle income families. i will lower taxes on middle income families. now, you cite a study. there's six other studies that lo
, what is the difference -- romney: but i -- right, right. >> moderator: let's just stay on taxes for a moment. romney: virtually everything he said about hi many tax plan is inaccurate. if i was asked to support it, i'd say absolutely not. i'm not looking for a $5 trillion tax cut. what identify said is i won't put in place a tax cut that adds to the deficit. that's part one. so there's no economist can say mitt romney's tax plan adds $5 trillion if i say i will not add to the deficit...